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發表從 ROYAL, 08.06.2017 - 03:59
Hi everyone,

I'm hdrakon, I'm speaking on my behalf with this account because my main account is currently suspended from using the forum. In this thread I will tell you the truth behind my "trouble-maker" reputation.

I've been playing this game for many years. I have dedicated a lot of my time, money and ideas that helped improve and will improve this game for all of us, and I don't regret it because I love this game. But with this there is a sad story. It was told by several moderators and my haters in a different way to depict me as a troll, or a villain, whose sole purpose is to ruin this game for the community. The facts say otherwise.

Date: Spring 2012
The reason I received this negative stigma started in spring 2012 when SRB empire clan members accused me of insulting one of their member's (VAGlNEER) ethnicity when they reported it to Guest14502. Guest14502 proceeded to mute me straight away on all public chats without speaking with me and without any evidence to support their allegation. I was upset and came back with a guest account and told Guest14502 in the heat of the moment to "ban me, I don't care," to which he replied "with pleasure.". I regretted saying that a day later and pleaded him to undo the ban but he'd ban me on sight. I kept getting banned and most of the mods didn't even know why I was banned in the first place. They just banned me because they thought, "Well he's banned by a mod and should remain banned." without inquiring for the reasons I'm banned. So from there on I began my campaign to free myself by using alts and spamming to get myself unbanned.

A few months later Guest1452 realized it was a mistake after VAGlNEER confirmed to him that SRB Empire members falsely accused me, to troll me for not joining their clan.

Around summer 2012
Later on that year, Guest14502 came to me and privately apologized for the mute and bans. However, it was private, therefore the stigma of a troll still stayed in AtWar. Around the same time a new mod was promoted called VRIL. He made it his goal to mistreat and abuse me. It was easy for him to get away with it because I had a "trouble-maker record" on my profile. There are many wrongdoings that VRIL had done. Here are few that I will mention. In one example, VRIL muted me on all chats for more than a month because his clan member clovek30 (kona-chan) who was fan of anime threatened to murder me after I said "Anime is hentai." Clovek didn't get punished, not even warned for what he said, and VRIL justified it by saying it is "to prevent you from responding to him.". In another example, he kicked and then banned me for 3 days during a duel we were playing, and I had a winning advantage. A lot of players were there to witness it, luckily for me Safari saw this so he unbanned me a day later, but nothing could have been done in regards to the duel.


Autumn 2012 until summer 2013
Fast forward a few months later around June 2013. I called VRIL "noob" in private chat and he decided to permanently ban me. I assume he wasn't happy with the way the community was treating him for the last few months and he released his frustration on me, while other players were spamming global, insulting his mother and more, and got away with it. Most of the mods were on my side and agreed VRIL was excessive with the way he handled me. VRIL then made a threat that said he will quit AtWar if I'm unbanned, so Amok stepped in and sided with VRIL. The mods decided to keep me banned, but then I was offered a deal by the mods that I'll be banned for 1 year and all my "history of bad player" won't be taken into account in any future case regarding me. I agreed to this deal.

VRIL banned any alt I had at that time with this reason "reason: hdrakon" to keep it marked as my alts, therefore I stayed on low profile and played without causing problems but once he discoverd it was me he would ban it. I managed to stay out of rader for a while when I played with my alt Vermeer around August. I joined with it to my main clan at the time Victorious Secret without telling others besides Safari my true identity. Later on this month I was recommended to be player of the month for August because of my helpfulness to the community in the forum and in game chat. Then VRIL started a map competition, Safari came to me and asked me if I'm going to participate in this competition, I told him I can't because I didn't buy the Map and Scenarios pack feature for my account so Safari offered me to use his acccount I hesitated at first and warned him that he may be punished for it, but he said it's ok so few days after I received the password to his account I signed-in with it. I barely used it because I had something happening in this week, but when I had time I told clovis I could mute him with an alt I named Satan-Safari which was possible because of a bug, he asked me to do so and he apparently screen-shoted it and shared it with Desu and reported me to Pulse. When Pulse IP checked Satan Safari he figured out it shared similar IP to Veemeer and Safari, and he banned Vermeer for 999 days and accused me of hacking a mod account. I never told the true story so this was known as hacking into a mod account, something that never happened the way it was told to the public. 6 months later on March first 2014 my main account was unbanned from VRIL's ban and VRIL quit AtWar because of it. After this episode I wasn't banned or muted again for 2 years.


Summer 2015
Fast forward to 2 years later. The bad stigma I had stuck around with me, and gave the new players the wrong impression about me. People who didn't know me hated me because of it. And people who didn't like me because of where I'm from took advantage of this and joined in. But I didn't mind. I thought if I keep on a low profile people will eventually leave me alone. It didn't work, it only backfired because people started to think it might be true, since I didn't defend myself against the haters. The haters became more and more toxic towards me with their hatred, and new players who didn't even know me joined the hate group spreading lies and hate about me. I had enough and began to reply to these people who shit-posted in forum or shit-talked about me in game since the mods weren't doing anything to them.
In around may 2015, my account profile settings were being altered and I was asking mods to check my account's IP, I legitimately thought someone might have hacked me. Then a former mod told me he is the one who did it. He said he still had the power to edit players' profiles even though he wasn't a mod. I doubted him and he said go check sificvoid's password I changed it to ----- I was skeptical but I tried it anyway and to my surprise it worked. I immediately wrote a pm to Ivan and changed its password because the new password was shown to other mods and any mods could've signed-in with it to abuse with it. I then logged off from it and never signed-in with it again. At that time, Ivan was away for a week from the date of my message and when he saw my message, he changed it and thanked me.

3 months later, e Mare was promoted to mod and he was abusing me, so I decided to quit AtWar because I didn't want to go through another similar experience like I had with VRIL, and deleted my account. Apparently he went on sificvoid's account and undeleted my account, changed its name, and used it as his own. If I wasn't informed on another platform that my account was restored, I would have never known. I came back and claimed my account back and provided evidence to the admins that e Mare did it. A few months later he was removed from mod. And this is when I started to receive my first ever forum mutes for responding to hatred with hatred, while the ones who started it and insulted me weren't punished for it. I grew tired of this and became a little aggressive.

Jaunary 2016
Few days after e Mare was demoted, clovis1122 told me he had something important to talk about and asked me to come online. I did and we started to talk. He asked me to tell him how I can post in other clans' forums without being there. I told him I won't tell him how bugs work, because I didn't want to spread the knowledge of bugs in the community, and that I've already reported it to Ivan 3 years before that.
He then basically demanded I tell him how I use the bug to view the mod forum (something that isn't possible) or else he will post a shaming thread about me and get me banned. I explained to him that this bug doesn't do such a thing, and he repeated the same threat. He wasn't convinced and said he rather see me banned than see me being around without telling him how this bug works.
I had nothing to say anymore and jusy logged off. He went ahead and made the shaming thread about me, accusing me of using a bug to view mod forum. When I responded, he asked the mods to move it to mod forum to prevent me from defending myself.

I had a bad relationship with Laochra because I had the wrong impression of him as a bully. He used to be very harsh with several people who were my friends and especially with clovis who was a very close friend of mine at that time, and I believed what I was told about Laochra, so I kind of disliked him at that time and he grew to dislike me too.

Laochra joined in, and straight away supported clovis1122's unfounded accusations and sent me a threatening message that I must tell him how this bug works or else I'll be banned. Meanwhile, clovis was spamming all chats to ban me and harassed and insulted me nonstop, begging mods to ban me. And not a single mod told him to stop. I decided to defend myself and responded to him occasionally with insults for trying to get me banned.


April 2016
The constant harassment and never-ending begging to ban me on forum and in game's chat bore fruit, and I was banned out of the blue by Columna Durruti without any prior message or alert or legitimate reasoning to this ban. All Columna Durruti wrote as his reason was, "You lost your last friend, GG."

It was later proven to be a false accusation.

June 2016
2 months passed and I didn't come close to AtWar again, but then Dr. Trollface contacted me on Skype and asked me to come back because I was banned wrongfully, and so I did. I came back to AtWar. But 2 days later, I was muted by Meester on global for a week or a month. I don't exactly remember because I used it by mistake. I approached Meester in private chat and provided him screenshots to prove it was an unintended mistake. He told me I just came back from a long ban so I'm not a good situation then he proceeded to put me on ignore. I was furious he ignored me, and decided to use report command to expose the truth I know about him. Basically I said I know he's not (from the country he said and everybody thought he was from), and that he lies about being a brain surgeon at the age of 24. The only mods who were present in this time were Sun Tzu and Heat Check. Few minute later Meester "permanently banned" me. Not only that but also deleted couple of useful posts I made that same day where I explained about a bug and helped people who asked questions. And in the mod forum he told a different story.
He said I spammed global for 3 days in a row with anti-Semitic messages. But wait. Firstly, I'm Jewish, why would I insult or go against myself? And second I was unbanned for 2 days how I could spam global chat for 3 days as he claimed in the mod forum? Plus there is no evidence of what he claims I said in the chat logs, but this is what he claimed I did to get banned.

Autumn 2016
During this time, I reported to Desu im his IRC channel about Trystane who was using Safari's mod account. He misused it to it steal old beta trooper accounts and simply abusing players in the game for fun. Desu replied to me with "I'm inactive, I won't do anything about it, talk with other mods." The player was left alone for a very long time because no other mod listened to me and sun tzu ignored my reports.

Winter 2016
6 months later at this time Crow talked with Sun Tzu without my knowledge. Sun Tzu agreed I can be unbanned on the condition that I can't access any other chat besides clan chat and clan forum, since there's no separation from clan forum to public forum, and I wasn't allowed to use public forum in this agreemen so the forum ban remained untouched. They agreed on these condition and I was unbanned. After one day Meester came online and banned me again for indefinite time for one reason - hatred. I didn't break the agreement that was reached with the moderators and Sun, I stuck to this deal and only communicated within the clan but I still got banned.


End of February 2017
A month or two later I was unbanned again but I wasn't allowed to post or use public chats beside game, private and clan channels. I played for 30 days without attracting the mods' attention, however the hate against me never ceased in the forum especially from Laochra, clovis and other new haters that have joined the hate train because it's always easy and fun to join a group of people to hate on someone. One I came online to play a game, and went to the clan war game that was taking place. It was Illyria against a clan who I forgot. I noticed Desu signed-in again after 40 days of inactivity, and he was chatting with waffel and joking around with us. I asked Illyria for a cw and I set it up after they finished. I didn't know I had Desu on my ban list, I forgot about it completely. We played our game but Desu couldn't spectate. I finished the game and saw Desu in the clan war room. I went on to check my ban list, and saw he's there. I sent him a private message and said I just realized he's on my ban list, and told him I will remove him from it so he can spectate if he wants. He replied he could have unbanned himself from my game, but instead he will ban me from AtWar. He said I shouldn't have been unbanned in the first place, and told me to ask a mod to talk in my name, and after that he banned me.
When the community became outraged and interested and asked the mods why I was banned, they were silenced and were told I'm not interested to share my stories with them, which is a big lie. The community accepted it and remained silent for over 3 months.

June 2017
After I was banned for over 3 months, I contacted a brianwl to unban me. He referred me to Sun Tzu, who unbanned me, but kept me banned from forum and muted me on most chat channels beside private and clan. The reasoning was "to prevent hdrakon from insulting or harassing anyone." However, a few hours later Google Chrome muted me on all chats. Then a few hours later, Eagle unmuted me on game, private and clan chat. But then again Google Chrome muted me on all chats. It kept going on like this with other mods unmuting, until Sun Tzu unmuted me from game, private and clan chat and made a deal that if I behave for a while they will reconsider my mutes and told me to contact him if I was muted again from all chat channels.
作者: ROYAL, 08.06.2017 at 06:30

The purpose of these posts is to get my story out there. The purpose is not to call out moderators on their actions, but an appeal to the mods and admin to speak the truth. This post is also meant to clear up all the rumors surrounding me... I'm not a bad guy. I challenge any of the mods to post their true thoughts on this matter. This is also for fair and equal justice among moderators, and to not ruling out with a heavy hand among those they find undesirable for whatever reason. I have been subjected to harsh and unfair treatment from moderators, and all the community is looking for is accountability with moderators.



Thanks for your time,
Hdrakon
12.06.2017 - 07:52
作者: BalkanBeast, 11.06.2017 at 21:53

I would like others to speak about times when they were abused unfairly by mods. I was giving my example. Hadkron gave his examples. I'm not trying to
push any of my own bullshit. It was an honest mistake with the submarine game. A player shouldn't even be allowed to view the medal stats if it is considered
farming to work towards them.

Where has Meester been anyway?

Just stop being pathetic.
You were banned 1 day for encouraging SP farm (medal farm). ONE WHOLE FUCKIN' DAY.
Actually, you got banned for insulting a player that warned you that this is unethical... not for the medal farm itself.

¡¿RIGHT?!
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12.06.2017 - 08:33
作者: Columna Durruti, 12.06.2017 at 07:52

作者: BalkanBeast, 11.06.2017 at 21:53

I would like others to speak about times when they were abused unfairly by mods. I was giving my example. Hadkron gave his examples. I'm not trying to
push any of my own bullshit. It was an honest mistake with the submarine game. A player shouldn't even be allowed to view the medal stats if it is considered
farming to work towards them.

Where has Meester been anyway?

Just stop being pathetic.
You were banned 1 day for encouraging SP farm (medal farm). ONE WHOLE FUCKIN' DAY.
Actually, you got banned for insulting a player that warned you that this is unethical... not for the medal farm itself.

¡¿RIGHT?!


1 day? Lol so casual. Let me know when he goes all in and invites a mod to sp farm with him.
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12.06.2017 - 11:15
作者: Guest, 12.06.2017 at 09:28

Probably could have just chatted to Sun in private about the muting and got it removed, Sun is reasonable I mean he did unban him

He actually did. But once GC muted him, Sun has no real power to overrule that decision. Also, Sun unbanned hdrakon with the support of brian, not exclusively on his own.

But what are you still doing posting here? Didn't you complain so much about being pinpointed? XD
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12.06.2017 - 12:56
作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 09:56

作者: Helly, 11.06.2017 at 22:04

作者: BalkanBeast, 11.06.2017 at 21:46

Gaining SP is the point of the game is it not? Do you deny that Hellykin? Never saw anything in the rules about "farming medals." Still don't.

It's not at all the point, the gameplay and the people you meet are the point. The sp system should be thrown out the window.

Except, nobody would play the game. Every video game in existence has some sort of experience points system to give players goals to strive for.

Not strategy games, Eu4, Ck2, the total war series, the civilization series, starcraft, command and conquer, and so on. The sp system was a shitty attempt at making the game more appealing to sheep who feel they need a pretend award to feel good about themselves. People would play, there are other ways, just a suggestion is kinda like what trystane said and what overwatch does in a way. Have two lobbies casual, and competitive, competitive will have game types 1v1 duels world map and spacific custom maps made for comp and cws. In this lobby you earn individual elo for 1st 2nd or 3rd in a map. In duels the winner gets elo, and in cws you get clan elo. In casual you still gain elo but only at 10%, casual includes all the farm maps people make to make themselves feel accomplished. You can use your elo as a currency to purchase upgrades although I'd just remove the upgrade system and make everyone equal. You would make a purchase with the elo, which would remove some seasonal elo, and your overall elo would go uneffected. Just one example of another way to do prgression. The moral of the story is your wrong again sp isn't needed, progression isn't even needed, that's brain dead cod fuck boy logic. The game needs solid game play (check) stable match making (not check) and compition (it's there but bring over shadowed)
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12.06.2017 - 13:04
作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 09:53

作者: Columna Durruti, 12.06.2017 at 07:52

作者: BalkanBeast, 11.06.2017 at 21:53

I would like others to speak about times when they were abused unfairly by mods. I was giving my example. Hadkron gave his examples. I'm not trying to
push any of my own bullshit. It was an honest mistake with the submarine game. A player shouldn't even be allowed to view the medal stats if it is considered
farming to work towards them.

Where has Meester been anyway?

Just stop being pathetic.
You were banned 1 day for encouraging SP farm (medal farm). ONE WHOLE FUCKIN' DAY.
Actually, you got banned for insulting a player that warned you that this is unethical... not for the medal farm itself.

¡¿RIGHT?!


That's not true. So I insulted some loser who joined my game and started berating me about how I was breaking the rules (which had nothing to do with the ban),
who reported me to his friend Meester. This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. I talked shit to someone who is friends with a mod, therefore a insta-ban.

There is no oversight of mods, who can take action to ban and mute without consulting anybody else, and who are mostly biased towards friends of theirs.

Do you deny this?

The only reason Meester banned me is because his friend told him to. And that's the truth. An account ban for my actions was uncalled for, Sun Tzu said so himself.

And by the way, Meester's friend joined MY game and started berating me first. Meester made it clear that the ban was for "SP farming," not for insulting anybody lol.
When is the last time any player was banned from logging into their account for "insulting a player?" Never probably. Sun Tzu agreed that it was uncalled for.

I'm pointing that out because I am very hesitant to pay anymore money into AtWar. Why would I give more money to site that among other things (shit servers), has mods that
ban and mute at the whim of a friend of theirs. You think Meester was a fair mod? Pffff.

Lastly, Columna Durruti fancies himself a comedian apparently. I could be like Laochra and screenshot and post all of the crap Colomuna posts, directed at players. I will just leave
other players to search his post history to see the kind of crap he is responsible for. See for yourself who the pathetic one is. I guess he would call them "jokes." W/E.

In your case you where treated appropriately 100% people need to stop going to sun with there problems he isn't a mod and he sometimes gives aweful opinions.

They did not need to consult anyone for your ban it was a blatant abuse of map editor in order to gain sp.

Meester doesn't have friends he hates everyone equally. Who is this acquintance you speak of, and why do you believe he is the cause? Especially since I reported you aswell.

I agree with your last point insults should not be a cause for a punishment these snow flakes need to grow a set.

This thread is not the place for this shit. Infact seeing as the ban didn't teach you a lesson, and you somehow in your mental illness believe you are correct they should just finish the job and permanently ban you. Can someone else jump in and tell this guy he's wrong? Not a single member of the community is buying this kool-aid right?
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12.06.2017 - 13:41
作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 13:36

作者: Helly, 12.06.2017 at 13:04

作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 09:53

作者: Columna Durruti, 12.06.2017 at 07:52

作者: BalkanBeast, 11.06.2017 at 21:53

I would like others to speak about times when they were abused unfairly by mods. I was giving my example. Hadkron gave his examples. I'm not trying to
push any of my own bullshit. It was an honest mistake with the submarine game. A player shouldn't even be allowed to view the medal stats if it is considered
farming to work towards them.

Where has Meester been anyway?

Just stop being pathetic.
You were banned 1 day for encouraging SP farm (medal farm). ONE WHOLE FUCKIN' DAY.
Actually, you got banned for insulting a player that warned you that this is unethical... not for the medal farm itself.

¡¿RIGHT?!


That's not true. So I insulted some loser who joined my game and started berating me about how I was breaking the rules (which had nothing to do with the ban),
who reported me to his friend Meester. This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. I talked shit to someone who is friends with a mod, therefore a insta-ban.

There is no oversight of mods, who can take action to ban and mute without consulting anybody else, and who are mostly biased towards friends of theirs.

Do you deny this?

The only reason Meester banned me is because his friend told him to. And that's the truth. An account ban for my actions was uncalled for, Sun Tzu said so himself.

And by the way, Meester's friend joined MY game and started berating me first. Meester made it clear that the ban was for "SP farming," not for insulting anybody lol.
When is the last time any player was banned from logging into their account for "insulting a player?" Never probably. Sun Tzu agreed that it was uncalled for.

I'm pointing that out because I am very hesitant to pay anymore money into AtWar. Why would I give more money to site that among other things (shit servers), has mods that
ban and mute at the whim of a friend of theirs. You think Meester was a fair mod? Pffff.

Lastly, Columna Durruti fancies himself a comedian apparently. I could be like Laochra and screenshot and post all of the crap Colomuna posts, directed at players. I will just leave
other players to search his post history to see the kind of crap he is responsible for. See for yourself who the pathetic one is. I guess he would call them "jokes." W/E.

In your case you where treated appropriately 100% people need to stop going to sun with there problems he isn't a mod and he sometimes gives aweful opinions.

They did not need to consult anyone for your ban it was a blatant abuse of map editor in order to gain sp.

Meester doesn't have friends he hates everyone equally. Who is this acquintance you speak of, and why do you believe he is the cause? Especially since I reported you aswell.

I agree with your last point insults should not be a cause for a punishment these snow flakes need to grow a set.

This thread is not the place for this shit. Infact seeing as the ban didn't teach you a lesson, and you somehow in your mental illness believe you are correct they should just finish the job and permanently ban you. Can someone else jump in and tell this guy he's wrong? Not a single member of the community is buying this kool-aid right?


I've never used map editor in my life....how could I abuse it?! LOL. You don't even know what you are talking about. I made a game EU+50k extra cities and named it "Submarine Battle." A guy joined up and I said "make subs this is a sub battle."
How does that involve map editor? Haha. And it is funny you say Sun isn't a mod........ah yes he is.....brianwl refered Hdrakon to Sun Tzu to see about his ban...and Sun unbanned him. Sun Tzu has the final word on all mod actions. I don't know why
you would say "he isn't a mod." That is pure nonsense.

Well I thought you made a farm map called submarine battle with only subs. That makes it even easier. If I made a map and me and my friend only used tanks to get a medal it's farming, it's even more black and white then I thought. Sun tzu is a normal player with marketing experience who lives close enough to ivan and amok. He was made an admin for marketing. If somehow his job transitioned to chief executive of moderation no one ever informed me.
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12.06.2017 - 15:11
作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 15:00

作者: Helly, 12.06.2017 at 13:41

作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 13:36

作者: Helly, 12.06.2017 at 13:04

作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 09:53

作者: Columna Durruti, 12.06.2017 at 07:52

作者: BalkanBeast, 11.06.2017 at 21:53

I would like others to speak about times when they were abused unfairly by mods. I was giving my example. Hadkron gave his examples. I'm not trying to
push any of my own bullshit. It was an honest mistake with the submarine game. A player shouldn't even be allowed to view the medal stats if it is considered
farming to work towards them.

Where has Meester been anyway?

Just stop being pathetic.
You were banned 1 day for encouraging SP farm (medal farm). ONE WHOLE FUCKIN' DAY.
Actually, you got banned for insulting a player that warned you that this is unethical... not for the medal farm itself.

¡¿RIGHT?!


That's not true. So I insulted some loser who joined my game and started berating me about how I was breaking the rules (which had nothing to do with the ban),
who reported me to his friend Meester. This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. I talked shit to someone who is friends with a mod, therefore a insta-ban.

There is no oversight of mods, who can take action to ban and mute without consulting anybody else, and who are mostly biased towards friends of theirs.

Do you deny this?

The only reason Meester banned me is because his friend told him to. And that's the truth. An account ban for my actions was uncalled for, Sun Tzu said so himself.

And by the way, Meester's friend joined MY game and started berating me first. Meester made it clear that the ban was for "SP farming," not for insulting anybody lol.
When is the last time any player was banned from logging into their account for "insulting a player?" Never probably. Sun Tzu agreed that it was uncalled for.

I'm pointing that out because I am very hesitant to pay anymore money into AtWar. Why would I give more money to site that among other things (shit servers), has mods that
ban and mute at the whim of a friend of theirs. You think Meester was a fair mod? Pffff.

Lastly, Columna Durruti fancies himself a comedian apparently. I could be like Laochra and screenshot and post all of the crap Colomuna posts, directed at players. I will just leave
other players to search his post history to see the kind of crap he is responsible for. See for yourself who the pathetic one is. I guess he would call them "jokes." W/E.

In your case you where treated appropriately 100% people need to stop going to sun with there problems he isn't a mod and he sometimes gives aweful opinions.

They did not need to consult anyone for your ban it was a blatant abuse of map editor in order to gain sp.

Meester doesn't have friends he hates everyone equally. Who is this acquintance you speak of, and why do you believe he is the cause? Especially since I reported you aswell.

I agree with your last point insults should not be a cause for a punishment these snow flakes need to grow a set.

This thread is not the place for this shit. Infact seeing as the ban didn't teach you a lesson, and you somehow in your mental illness believe you are correct they should just finish the job and permanently ban you. Can someone else jump in and tell this guy he's wrong? Not a single member of the community is buying this kool-aid right?


I've never used map editor in my life....how could I abuse it?! LOL. You don't even know what you are talking about. I made a game EU+50k extra cities and named it "Submarine Battle." A guy joined up and I said "make subs this is a sub battle."
How does that involve map editor? Haha. And it is funny you say Sun isn't a mod........ah yes he is.....brianwl refered Hdrakon to Sun Tzu to see about his ban...and Sun unbanned him. Sun Tzu has the final word on all mod actions. I don't know why
you would say "he isn't a mod." That is pure nonsense.

Well I thought you made a farm map called submarine battle with only subs. That makes it even easier. If I made a map and me and my friend only used tanks to get a medal it's farming, it's even more black and white then I thought. Sun tzu is a normal player with marketing experience who lives close enough to ivan and amok. He was made an admin for marketing. If somehow his job transitioned to chief executive of moderation no one ever informed me.


That's because you literally, know nothing. Obviously nobody cares to even respond to you except yourself. L0L.
edit: And I'll respond to you, in order to defend myself.

The message was for you, why would anyone else respond to a quote for you? Are you retarded?
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12.06.2017 - 15:13
作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 13:41

In fact I would argue that Sun is Lead Moderator, after all, Ivan did strip him of his "marketing" credit off the homepage. He also has the red shield. This denotes lead mod in my book. Brianwl would be second-in-command in my opinion. He is like co-lead mod.

Good thing your thoughts and opinions are just that, thought and opinions and are in no way the law.
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12.06.2017 - 15:46
作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 13:41

In fact I would argue that Sun is Lead Moderator, after all, Ivan did strip him of his "marketing" credit off the homepage. He also has the red shield. This denotes lead mod in my book. Brianwl would be second-in-command in my opinion. He is like co-lead mod.

And I would argue against that, quite strongly actually. And if you need proofs, just ask Sun himself.
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12.06.2017 - 17:15
作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 07:52

作者: Checkmate., 12.06.2017 at 01:07

I dont think the purpose of the game is to gain sp northern. the purpose of the game is to outsmart your opponent and win your games + have fun.


I don't think you are being honest with yourself. Also, I have heard similar statements before. You are not being honest with yourself if you say you aren't
chasing that next upgrade, or that next rank.

i truly dont care about becoming a higher rank. i care about becoming a better player. i will cry the day i get r9.
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12.06.2017 - 17:39
 Crow
作者: Guest, 12.06.2017 at 09:28

I suppose this large dramatic flame war is probably what moderators were trying to prevent in muting him. He had a shot of coming back and turning over a new stone... Probably could have just chatted to Sun in private about the muting and got it removed, Sun is reasonable I mean he did unban him. But I guess hdrakon instead decided to spread more lies and indoctrinate people who know nothing about him except the memes old players have been posting about him. I was foolish enough to befriend this guy in the past and listen to his bullshit over trusted players... in the words of a wise player by the name of safari "hdrakon acts innocent but in reality he is a dick head." There isn't many cases I'll agree players need to be banned for but hdrakon... this thread should just be locked now.

You're still commenting here? ;_;
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12.06.2017 - 18:15
作者: Helly, 12.06.2017 at 13:41

Well I thought you made a farm map called submarine battle with only subs. That makes it even easier. If I made a map and me and my friend only used tanks to get a medal it's farming, it's even more black and white then I thought. Sun tzu is a normal player with marketing experience who lives close enough to ivan and amok. He was made an admin for marketing. If somehow his job transitioned to chief executive of moderation no one ever informed me.


I agree with your statement, btw this is a reply.
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12.06.2017 - 19:46
作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 09:53

-bla!-

You SP farm and incite to SP farm.
You shit-talk a player that points to the unethical nature of your behaviour.
You get 1 (one) day ban.
You talk like a victim (¿of the system?).

Please stop.
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13.06.2017 - 03:39
作者: Columna Durruti, 12.06.2017 at 19:46

作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 09:53

-bla!-

You SP farm and incite to SP farm.
You shit-talk a player that points to the unethical nature of your behaviour.
You get 1 (one) day ban.
You talk like a victim (¿of the system?).

Please stop.

He wanted you and meester to hold hands and ban him together is all xD
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20.06.2017 - 08:44
Well, it has been a long time and passions go away and people grow, the little time I am online for a casual game I've seen hdrakon helping in help chat as his dot indicates, I am sure he is reformed...
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20.06.2017 - 09:40
作者: Aristosseur, 20.06.2017 at 08:44

Well, it has been a long time and passions go away and people grow, the little time I am online for a casual game I've seen hdrakon helping in help chat as his dot indicates, I am sure he is reformed...

Man many help in help channel, the times he and his buddies have offended me and called me names is countless.They even made an alt to take my name so I can't use it.I also remember that time I asked him for ''peace'' and he trolled me denying it while after a few days he asked me to unignore him immediatelly and stuff like that.I can keep going but w/e it's not worth it.
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20.06.2017 - 10:15
 Crow
作者: Cold Case, 20.06.2017 at 09:40

作者: Aristosseur, 20.06.2017 at 08:44

Well, it has been a long time and passions go away and people grow, the little time I am online for a casual game I've seen hdrakon helping in help chat as his dot indicates, I am sure he is reformed...

Man many help in help channel, the times he and his buddies have offended me and called me names is countless.They even made an alt to take my name so I can't use it.I also remember that time I asked him for ''peace'' and he trolled me denying it while after a few days he asked me to unignore him immediatelly and stuff like that.I can keep going but w/e it's not worth it.

I really hope you're not talking about me when you say his 'buddies'. I've never had a proper conversation with you - except for the time you got angry at me for not giving out information about what Ivan and I discussed in private.
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20.06.2017 - 10:35
作者: Crow, 20.06.2017 at 10:15

I really hope you're not talking about me when you say his 'buddies'. I've never had a proper conversation with you - except for the time you got angry at me for not giving out information about what Ivan and I discussed in private.


Man you really don't want to start a SS fight.The bs you keep talking about in public and never say what trully happened is unbelievable.I don't want to hear anything from you and yeah you didn't but sadly I wasn't the problem there.
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20.06.2017 - 11:44
 brianwl (管理員)
作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 17:11

作者: RaulPB, 12.06.2017 at 15:46

作者: BalkanBeast, 12.06.2017 at 13:41

In fact I would argue that Sun is Lead Moderator, after all, Ivan did strip him of his "marketing" credit off the homepage. He also has the red shield. This denotes lead mod in my book. Brianwl would be second-in-command in my opinion. He is like co-lead mod.

And I would argue against that, quite strongly actually. And if you need proofs, just ask Sun himself.


So why does Sun have final say of who gets banned and who doesn't? For example: lets' bring this back to Hdrakon, because
that who is this thread is about. Sun was final say on Hdrakon being unbanned. Brianwl, one of the undisputed leaders of the
game, a voice of reason for all. Brianwl referred Hdrakon to Sun Tzu to see about the un-ban. That is further proof that Sun
Tzu is the de-facto mod leader, whether Sun Tzu likes it or not. With Ivan and Amok absent, Sun is in charge. And a leader is
needed to make final decisions. So there's that. He's got the red shield too.

I also believe there should be a distinction between a forum mod and a game mod. That would be helpful.


First: Sun does not have final say.

And while mod decisions are not generally discussed ( i will delete this on request by any player regardless of status) i think it's worthwhile to clean up the severe misconceptions of people who post misinformation out of ignorance.

In this instance, mods were divided as to whether or not hdrakon should be unbanned. It continued for months, with several mods banning, and then other mods unbanning, depending on hdrakon's influence with said mod. (Generally, less experienced mods were influenced by hdrakons arguments, and agreed to unban, while the longer serving mods, with their broader experience, not being influenced and supportive of the ban.)

For several months the mod team worked to find a consensus. However no consensus could be reached.

I made the suggestion that for this particular case, we should defer to Ivan, as he had experience with hdrakon, and some of the arguments for allowing hdrakon to be unbanned were that Ivan had made him a supporter. (It's also his game... so his decision could be final).

However, Ivan never responded after several weeks, so i suggested the following:

"And since we can't reach consensus, an admin may need to pull rank and take responsibility for the decision. Ideally, it would be Ivan, but if he's not going to weigh in on this, then Sun."

Over a month passed without Sun taking any action, and it should be emphasized Sun never asked for this, and did not even seem comfortable in assuming responsibility for this, as he'd prefer not to be put in this role.

In other words, Sun did not have the final say... a mod asked him to make a decision as the discussions among mods were deadlocked, and it was, in my view, creating divisions that were making the mod team less effective. And since there were no objections to this within the time frame, it went ahead.

And like any incorruptible admin, he relinquished the power granted him as soon as the threat was over.

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That you would suggest my referring hdrakon back to Sun is proof of mod leadership is a tragic failure of logic.

The reason for the referral was simple: the man who passes sentence, swings the ax. In other words, Sun unbanned, so if you have anything more, go to Sun.
Prior to Sun's involvement, the message was "Desu banned, go to Desu". [All this 'prooves' is i think mod actions should not be undone by other mods.]
Anyone who's ever asked me to undo another mod's decision can further confirm this 'proof'.
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20.06.2017 - 12:13
作者: BalkanBeast, 20.06.2017 at 12:07

Thanks for clearing that up. Everyone knows that any power structure needs a leader, someone who can make a final say about matters. With Ivan AFK, shouldn't there be someone appointed lead mod? Just a thought. Thanks for your time.




No thanks for your time!
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20.06.2017 - 16:55
作者: BalkanBeast, 20.06.2017 at 12:07

Thanks for clearing that up. Everyone knows that any power structure needs a leader, someone who can make a final say about matters. With Ivan AFK, shouldn't there be someone appointed lead mod? Just a thought. Thanks for your time.

Defiantly lemonade
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20.06.2017 - 21:26
作者: Cold Case, 20.06.2017 at 10:35

作者: Crow, 20.06.2017 at 10:15

I really hope you're not talking about me when you say his 'buddies'. I've never had a proper conversation with you - except for the time you got angry at me for not giving out information about what Ivan and I discussed in private.


Man you really don't want to start a SS fight.The bs you keep talking about in public and never say what trully happened is unbelievable.I don't want to hear anything from you and yeah you didn't but sadly I wasn't the problem there.

I'm sure you dont want to start a SS fight cold.....




作者: brianwl, 20.06.2017 at 11:44

First: Sun does not have final say.

It would be better if he had, or moderators will continue their power abuse.(stealing beta trooper accounts etc, muting whoever they want from all chats, banning, etc.)
作者: brianwl, 20.06.2017 at 11:44

And while mod decisions are not generally discussed ( i will delete this on request by any player regardless of status) i think it's worthwhile to clean up the severe misconceptions of people who post misinformation out of ignorance.

Agree.
作者: brianwl, 20.06.2017 at 11:44

In this instance, mods were divided as to whether or not hdrakon should be unbanned. It continued for months, with several mods banning, and then other mods unbanning, depending on hdrakon's influence with said mod. (Generally, less experienced mods were influenced by hdrakons arguments, and agreed to unban, while the longer serving mods, with their broader experience, not being influenced and supportive of the ban.)

What was even the reason to ban hdrakon on the first place? Don't insult new moderators because they see no reason for ban, and we can speak about Chrome, who hates hdrakon and does everything to ban him...
作者: brianwl, 20.06.2017 at 11:44

For several months the mod team worked to find a consensus. However no consensus could be reached.

Thats why moderator team needs to be cleaned up and new one should be found, you cannot even reach consensus about one ban, what would you do if this game had millions of players, and between them were ones that really deserved ban?
作者: brianwl, 20.06.2017 at 11:44

I made the suggestion that for this particular case, we should defer to Ivan, as he had experience with hdrakon, and some of the arguments for allowing hdrakon to be unbanned were that Ivan had made him a supporter. (It's also his game... so his decision could be final).

Doesn't Ivan's act of promoting hdrakon to supporter again tell enough that he wants hdrakon unbanned?
作者: brianwl, 20.06.2017 at 11:44

However, Ivan never responded after several weeks, so i suggested the following:

Why would he....
作者: brianwl, 20.06.2017 at 11:44

And since we can't reach consensus, an admin may need to pull rank and take responsibility for the decision. Ideally, it would be Ivan, but if he's not going to weigh in on this, then Sun.In other words, Sun did not have the final say... a mod asked him to make a decision as the discussions among mods were deadlocked, and it was, in my view, creating divisions that were making the mod team less effective. And since there were no objections to this within the time frame, it went ahead.

Moderators like you probably hoped that sun will ban hdrakon, that's why you were closing eyes to ivan's act of promoting hdrakon again. You were all protecting Desu, but, 3months ago i told desu that hdrakon will be unbanned(Desu came to the game just to ban him), and then left the game as act of protest.
作者: brianwl, 20.06.2017 at 11:44

And like any incorruptible admin, he relinquished the power granted him as soon as the threat was over. That you would suggest my referring hdrakon back to Sun is proof of mod leadership is a tragic failure of logic.

As much as i know, Sun is not admin anymore, he can be called moderator leader and nothing else, accept it or not.
作者: brianwl, 20.06.2017 at 11:44

The reason for the referral was simple: the man who passes sentence, swings the ax. In other words, Sun unbanned, so if you have anything more, go to Sun.
Prior to Sun's involvement, the message was "Desu banned, go to Desu". [All this 'prooves' is i think mod actions should not be undone by other mods.]
Anyone who's ever asked me to undo another mod's decision can further confirm this 'proof'.

So brian tell me, how would you react if Desu banned you without any proofs or any reasons, and then other mods tell you to talk with Desu, genial logic, ideal for moderator corruption and continuation of exploiting moderator powers.
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Simple answer is to require at least 2/3 mods to unban, or a majority of only mods that were there at the time. If they have no knowledge of the ban/reasons how can they make a reasoned decision? Maybe include former (retired) mods in the discussion also if they were involved.
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21.06.2017 - 00:06
作者: Xenosapien, 20.06.2017 at 22:56

Simple answer is to require at least 2/3 mods to unban, or a majority of only mods that were there at the time. If they have no knowledge of the ban/reasons how can they make a reasoned decision? Maybe include former (retired) mods in the discussion also if they were involved.

What's suppose to happen is they're meant to make a post in the mod forum about who they want to ban and why or who they want to unban and why, There is suppose to be discussions about this but I can say for certainty the recent bans for hdrakon none of this was done. Most bans the moderators give there isnt any real proof, no screenshots or anything... I've been banned unfairly twice now where i was proven innocent but the moderators who done it are still too ignorant to admit this .
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21.06.2017 - 04:00
KingJim
帳戶已刪除
Lol
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21.06.2017 - 09:57
 brianwl (管理員)
作者: BalkanBeast, 21.06.2017 at 09:26

... I've been banned unfairly twice now where i was proven innocent but the moderators who done it are still too ignorant to admit this ...


I double checked and proper protocols were followed in all bans listed - screenshots were posted (although since it was over a year ago, the link has expired.)
[ Bans prior to the move to html5 aren't in your profile. ]
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21.06.2017 - 10:22
作者: Guest, 20.06.2017 at 16:55

作者: BalkanBeast, 20.06.2017 at 12:07

Thanks for clearing that up. Everyone knows that any power structure needs a leader, someone who can make a final say about matters. With Ivan AFK, shouldn't there be someone appointed lead mod? Just a thought. Thanks for your time.

Defiantly lemonade

yeah and the next two mods will be waffel and zizou!
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21.06.2017 - 12:03
 Sascha (版主)
作者: clovis1122, 21.06.2017 at 11:26

Shouldn't hdrakon be banned again for using an alt account to post on forums? Thats a clear rule violation.


ah and you cant tell me you didnt do it yet?
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21.06.2017 - 12:55
作者: clovis1122, 21.06.2017 at 11:26

Shouldn't hdrakon be banned again for using an alt account to post on forums? Thats a clear rule violation.

Why should he be banned to post in forums in the first place? He has already been through his total ban without cheating so there really isn't a reason for him to be unbanned from the game but not from the forum. Let's just stop the drama, give him a clean chance and if he fucks up, then ban again in accordance with whatever he does. It's not that hard...
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