Desert Storm Improvements

Hi everyone,

I know desert storm might not be a popular strategy and not considered "competitive" for some people, but I disagree to a certain extent. Anyways, the strategy the way it is now is hell expensive and not good compared to SM since helicopters range is weaker and defense of helicopters is terrible.

I think this strategy could benefit some or all of the following:

- Cost of helicopters lowered (by 10 ?) OR An upgrade to lower helicopters cost
- [Maybe] Increased helicopters range (something between +2 and +4)
- Cheaper marines (even with the marine cost upgrade it still costs you 120 which is too much for a unit with 7 attack)
- Defense increase to helicopters OR Defense increase to infantry

I believe that this strategy has a very good future but not the way it is now and I would like to hear what you guys think too.

.:: Update ::.
Some very good suggestions have been discussed through this post I will try to sum them up here with reference to whom suggested them.

- Almost everyone agrees to the price of helis reduced, majority support this through an upgrade.
- Some agree to the marines cost lowered.
- Many agree to removing the inf defense nerf.
- The Goblin (rank 10) suggests removing the bomber vs heli defense modifier and reduce the cost of helis to 120.
- Soul (rank 9) suggests nerfing DS transports similar to GW and IF.
- EndsOfInvention (rank 7) suggest increasing defense to marines, He also has a very interesting suggestion of having helicopters be able to carry defensive units (militia Only) but with nerfing their attack.

I think the only thing which is viable and fair is lowering the cost. Don't forget you have the massive advantage of heli+marine combo for big stealth range. Marines stealth make up for low cost/attack.

Yes but problem is that helicopters are weak against any air units.If you use Desert storm then they cost 130 as normal bombers and have great bonus against infantry like militia,3 helicopters can kill 5 militia even 6 but critical chance may ruin everything.

作者： THE_Militia, 19.11.2013 at 07:06

Yes but problem is that helicopters are weak against any air units.If you use Desert storm then they cost 130 as normal bombers and have great bonus against infantry like militia,3 helicopters can kill 5 militia even 6 but critical chance may ruin everything.

And that's another very good point I forgot to mention is that defense is terrible against bombers so defense should be powered. Thanks mate for noting this.

They have more attack than bombers with DS and their bonuses like -2 against bombers is -1 but still it's very weak and infantry lose defence and attack which is really stupid.

作者： THE_Militia, 19.11.2013 at 07:22

They have more attack than bombers with DS and their bonuses like -2 against bombers is -1 but still it's very weak and infantry lose defence and attack which is really stupid.

So if a bomber attacks a desert storm helicopter, it's defense is like the militia, isn't this stupid ? A unit that costs 130 can die just like a militia ... terrible

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:28

作者： THE_Militia, 19.11.2013 at 07:22

They have more attack than bombers with DS and their bonuses like -2 against bombers is -1 but still it's very weak and infantry lose defence and attack which is really stupid.

So if a bomber attacks a desert storm helicopter, it's defense is like the militia, isn't this stupid ? A unit that costs 130 can die just like a militia ... terrible

2 Militia to be exact.
Anyway i think a upgrade to reduce cost by 10 is good enough of a boost.

Yeah SM is not OP against DS, SM relies on infantry to defend and DS can sweep past them just as bombers can sweep past helis, and inf are less mobile than helis. SM bombers can be intercepted too, you'll find that actually their bonuses cancel each other out and DS helis have 5 defense against bombers but have boost against inf, SM bombers have 5 but have more range, same attack. All in all it comes down too who manages to TB kill the others units when attack vs attack, attack vs defense is also equal because of DS, they have more attack on inf but their inf are nerfed. I think the overall strat is quite balanced and the only thing which could be improved is MAYBE a -10 cost upgrade.

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

What about inf ?

Nah no need to change i use it and its fine. Only thing that could be added is the cost boost.

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:55

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

What about inf ?

DS has a bonus attacking against inf which is why infs defence must be nerfed.

Huh.. So it does... That makes it 4 defense against planes, yeah but that's still as good as RA tanks with more range and marines albeit -1 attack. I think the main reasoning for inf nerf is that it gets such a devastating bonus against inf if it has average defense as well no one will be able to fight back and it will be OP. It could have no defense nerf but keep the attack nerf and increase the cost of inf.

I hate the DS inf nerf but sadly I believe it'd be OP without, reduce the marine cost by -10 is the only viable thing in my mind. I wouldn't mind helis getting +1 range but again believe it'd be OP if that happened.

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 10:41

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

Ds is useless with the infantry nerf

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 10:41

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

ds was my third most used strat up until a week ago.

in desus thread for 3v3s he/she lists strats as competitive usuable and unusuable. id like to see more strats become competitive and no strats in the unusable section

i think removing the defensive inf nerf from ds inf would boost it into the competitive section

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 11:05

ds was my third most used strat up until a week ago.

in desus thread for 3v3s he/she lists strats as competitive usuable and unusuable. id like to see more strats become competitive and no strats in the unusable section

i think removing the defensive inf nerf from ds inf would boost it into the competitive section

It would, but it'd be pretty powerful with ukr if that happened imo. A little bit too powerful but idk the limited range compared to SM could justify it.

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 11:05

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 10:41

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

ds was my third most used strat up until a week ago.

in desus thread for 3v3s he/she lists strats as competitive usuable and unusuable. id like to see more strats become competitive and no strats in the unusable section

i think removing the defensive inf nerf from ds inf would boost it into the competitive section

ds is slightly weaker than sm, with a slight boost i dont see why not make it competitive. But taking the inf nerf would make it efficient to defend with DS, which would make it OP because its efficient as it can get it attacking. You just have to play it smart.

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:09

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 11:05

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 10:41

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

ds was my third most used strat up until a week ago.

in desus thread for 3v3s he/she lists strats as competitive usuable and unusuable. id like to see more strats become competitive and no strats in the unusable section

i think removing the defensive inf nerf from ds inf would boost it into the competitive section

ds is slightly weaker than sm, with a slight boost i dont see why not make it competitive. But taking the inf nerf would make it efficient to defend with DS, which would make it OP because its efficient as it can get it attacking. You just have to play it smart.

Why it shouldn't be efficient in defending while SM is ?? Don't forget that SM has way much range than DS so cost is not the only thing bad about this strategy anyone who plays this strategy enough know this, period.

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 11:12

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:09

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 11:05

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 10:41

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

ds was my third most used strat up until a week ago.

in desus thread for 3v3s he/she lists strats as competitive usuable and unusuable. id like to see more strats become competitive and no strats in the unusable section

i think removing the defensive inf nerf from ds inf would boost it into the competitive section

ds is slightly weaker than sm, with a slight boost i dont see why not make it competitive. But taking the inf nerf would make it efficient to defend with DS, which would make it OP because its efficient as it can get it attacking. You just have to play it smart.

Why it shouldn't be efficient in defending while SM is ?? Don't forget that SM has way much range than DS so cost is not the only thing bad about this strategy anyone who plays this strategy enough know this, period.

i play this strategy more than you do, SM inf are nerfed too, you want to take the nerf that balances the strategy. You want to make the logical illogical just so it can serve your own need. Get it that strategies dont make your units super, it trades a unit boost for a unit nerf, therefore keeping the balance. If you cant handle the nerf dont play with it.

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:20

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 11:12

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:09

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 11:05

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 10:41

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

ds was my third most used strat up until a week ago.

in desus thread for 3v3s he/she lists strats as competitive usuable and unusuable. id like to see more strats become competitive and no strats in the unusable section

i think removing the defensive inf nerf from ds inf would boost it into the competitive section

ds is slightly weaker than sm, with a slight boost i dont see why not make it competitive. But taking the inf nerf would make it efficient to defend with DS, which would make it OP because its efficient as it can get it attacking. You just have to play it smart.

Why it shouldn't be efficient in defending while SM is ?? Don't forget that SM has way much range than DS so cost is not the only thing bad about this strategy anyone who plays this strategy enough know this, period.

i play this strategy more than you do, SM inf are nerfed too, you want to take the nerf that balances the strategy. You want to make the logical illogical just so it can serve your own need. Get it that strategies dont make your units super, it trades a unit boost for a unit nerf, therefore keeping the balance. If you cant handle the nerf dont play with it.

First off you are a rank 6 and I am 8 or am I wrong how on earth you say you play it more than I do or how on earth you say you even know how much I play it ? Stop personalizing the issue and go straight to the point and show some respect to other opinions.

Secondly, as you can see it is NOT only my opinion or NEEDS as you poorly claim, many others in the post agreed to some of my points since they know something apparently you don't know.

Last thing: you don't EVER tell someone not to play a strategy because he thinks something is wrong, this is the IDEAS forum and you have gone way far away from saying IDEAS, period.

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:20

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 11:12

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:09

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 11:05

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 10:41

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

ds was my third most used strat up until a week ago.

in desus thread for 3v3s he/she lists strats as competitive usuable and unusuable. id like to see more strats become competitive and no strats in the unusable section

i think removing the defensive inf nerf from ds inf would boost it into the competitive section

ds is slightly weaker than sm, with a slight boost i dont see why not make it competitive. But taking the inf nerf would make it efficient to defend with DS, which would make it OP because its efficient as it can get it attacking. You just have to play it smart.

Why it shouldn't be efficient in defending while SM is ?? Don't forget that SM has way much range than DS so cost is not the only thing bad about this strategy anyone who plays this strategy enough know this, period.

i play this strategy more than you do, SM inf are nerfed too, you want to take the nerf that balances the strategy. You want to make the logical illogical just so it can serve your own need. Get it that strategies dont make your units super, it trades a unit boost for a unit nerf, therefore keeping the balance. If you cant handle the nerf dont play with it.

1.- SM infantry has no nerf
2.- He is right, if you think DS is op without the infantry nerf, then you haven't played it enough period.
3.- i play more DS than you both combined (since it was released)

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 11:29

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:20

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 11:12

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:09

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 11:05

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 10:41

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

ds was my third most used strat up until a week ago.

in desus thread for 3v3s he/she lists strats as competitive usuable and unusuable. id like to see more strats become competitive and no strats in the unusable section

i think removing the defensive inf nerf from ds inf would boost it into the competitive section

ds is slightly weaker than sm, with a slight boost i dont see why not make it competitive. But taking the inf nerf would make it efficient to defend with DS, which would make it OP because its efficient as it can get it attacking. You just have to play it smart.

Why it shouldn't be efficient in defending while SM is ?? Don't forget that SM has way much range than DS so cost is not the only thing bad about this strategy anyone who plays this strategy enough know this, period.

i play this strategy more than you do, SM inf are nerfed too, you want to take the nerf that balances the strategy. You want to make the logical illogical just so it can serve your own need. Get it that strategies dont make your units super, it trades a unit boost for a unit nerf, therefore keeping the balance. If you cant handle the nerf dont play with it.

1.- SM infantry has no nerf
2.- He is right, if you think DS is op without the infantry nerf, then you haven't played it enough period.
3.- i play more DS than you both combined (since it was released)

Use this link and choose SM you will see that you are wrong inf is nerfed in SM, period.

https://atwar-game.com/home/units.php

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 11:31

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 11:29

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:20

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 11:12

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 11:09

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 11:05

作者： The Tactician, 19.11.2013 at 10:41

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 10:20

作者： Permamuted, 19.11.2013 at 09:59

Ds shines in some situations and is a strat i enjoy using, but its not really competitive, the cost boost imo would be great

作者： Xenosapien, 19.11.2013 at 07:48

作者： Guest, 19.11.2013 at 07:44

Guys guys the cost is a big issue for helis and marines, but look at the defense of infantry and helis... why on earth not increase the defense a bit to balance this strategy?

It gets 6 defense, 1 more than RA tanks and SM bombers, it has only -1 total defense 'bonus' against planes that makes it 5, same as SM bombers which have -1 defense, both have same attack. DS has stealth range. This is balanced.

huh? ds helis only have 5 defense not 6. i think boosting the defense of ds infantry would be another appropriate boost, would balance it compared to sm who also retain the inf defense.

Finally somone understands the point.. you cannot compare DS to RA they are different things but you can compare to SM, and DS compared to SM is shit the way it is.

enough. Just try to play it , you can crush your opponent but not defend, yes its weaker than SM but so is lots of strats, the only thing it might need is a cost nerf.

ds was my third most used strat up until a week ago.

in desus thread for 3v3s he/she lists strats as competitive usuable and unusuable. id like to see more strats become competitive and no strats in the unusable section

i think removing the defensive inf nerf from ds inf would boost it into the competitive section

ds is slightly weaker than sm, with a slight boost i dont see why not make it competitive. But taking the inf nerf would make it efficient to defend with DS, which would make it OP because its efficient as it can get it attacking. You just have to play it smart.

Why it shouldn't be efficient in defending while SM is ?? Don't forget that SM has way much range than DS so cost is not the only thing bad about this strategy anyone who plays this strategy enough know this, period.

i play this strategy more than you do, SM inf are nerfed too, you want to take the nerf that balances the strategy. You want to make the logical illogical just so it can serve your own need. Get it that strategies dont make your units super, it trades a unit boost for a unit nerf, therefore keeping the balance. If you cant handle the nerf dont play with it.

1.- SM infantry has no nerf
2.- He is right, if you think DS is op without the infantry nerf, then you haven't played it enough period.
3.- i play more DS than you both combined (since it was released)

Use this link and choose SM you will see that you are wrong inf is nerfed in SM, period.

https://atwar-game.com/home/units.php

Check again, only DS has a def nerf, nobody cares about the attack nerf, thats what bombers are made for lol.

OMG I see jokers ruining the post I'll just ignore them, and serious opinions and comments are welcome.

BTW Laochra + rep for that last thing u said

If you do want to remove all inf nerfs DS has then it'd become OP and you have to do something else like nerf it's transports similiar to GW or IF. Just imo. Or something along those lines. I stand by just the -10 marine cost will help, anything more makes me think unbalanced.

Hmm wolfenstien you seem to be judging by rank, and i remember beating you when your name was brothers and you were the same rank i was. You just played some scenarios and world games, second of all check my favorite strategies you will see that i have clearly played it more than you since its not even in your top 3. You went to rank discrimination because there was no other argument you could make. You have absolutely no evidence that you know more than me. I agree only with the price change to helis, nothing more.

Tunder, im not saying DS is op is it is if you read my posts you will see im saying its weaker than SM but doesnt deserve a boost as powerful as making inf's normal. As i said, DS is very offencive and very efficient at attack, if you give it defense too then what is the nerf that it has? Then it is all round boosted.

again, trying to take the logical nerf for boost and trying to make it boost for boost.