Thank you Amok & Ivan (And Sun Tzu)

作者： Waffelo, 10.04.2025 at 22:51

作者： Phoenix, 10.04.2025 at 12:13

Waffel, Have you tried to see things from his perspective?

I know in the past that I've been irritating sometimes and busted a lot of mod balls.

(This is Daves perspective)

...war and peace...

I fail to see how any of that is ban/delete or honestly even muteworthy?

(have you tried to apologise for busting his balls?)

作者： 77TENGRI99, 11.04.2025 at 16:24

I snitched on boywind smith

作者： Kaska, 12.04.2025 at 03:05

In terms of public relations This thread is a disaster, aye

作者： Kaska, 12.04.2025 at 03:05

In terms of public relations This thread is a disaster, aye

作者： 77TENGRI99, 12.04.2025 at 03:55

作者： Kaska, 12.04.2025 at 03:05

In terms of public relations This thread is a disaster, aye

shut up nerd or ill publicly relate u

作者： Dave, 12.04.2025 at 03:34

作者： Kaska, 12.04.2025 at 03:05

In terms of public relations This thread is a disaster, aye

I think it's been a good opportunity for people to vent their frustrations. Hopefully we can move on now.

作者： Moepius, 12.04.2025 at 10:38

So people are just crying to unban toxic assholes as always, nice. The community is half the reason why this game is dying. ^^

作者： Moepius, 12.04.2025 at 10:38

But what are the actual plans for the future @Dave? I remember that I enjoyed playing for a while but since I'm not that obsessed with this game like others here, I think there should be some valid reasons for old players to try some casual games again or lurk some new folks in here.
Last games I played were with an alt to be able to join the beginners lobby ... casual players kinda always loose against the 5 active players around here and also 99% of the quick games are there, whgich are more fun imho.
Sth. like bots to play solo with and try out strategies would be cool, more fast paced games that can be used for social media etc. and don't take 2hrs to finish (or more than a week for the long games).

作者： Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 17:39

Look Dave, I appreciate you sharing that screenshot of my history, for the sake of transparency and owning up to being in the wrong here. Makes you wonder how right I am about all the other things I've mentioned and claimed in my posts before hehe..

作者： Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 17:39

All jokes aside though (I wasn't joking tbh), it also makes you wonder how much of all these bans/deleting/archiving of players their accounts and their threads/posts, and basically all the personal vendetta's/conflicts between players and staffteam members are perhaps (maybe not all of them) based on miscommunications like this, or wrong impressions/jumping to wrong conclusions or even blatant lies and/or misconceptions, and perhaps all of that only escalated further and further and ended up like we are here right now.

作者： Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 17:39

作者： Dave, 11.04.2025 at 02:56

I still don't remember why I deleted your account, but oh well. You must have annoyed me

You got mad because of all the posts/threads, and some of the staffmembers and Sid constantly causing more discussions and shit on the discords and within the community, and decided to just ban all of us for the sake of making all of the ''drama'' disappear. Which is what caused the domino effect of most people that disagreed with the bannings to eventually leave the game and most of them never returning.

作者： Dave, 11.04.2025 at 02:56

I still think banning people for something small like that was a really bad judgement call of yours and the fact that after all these years, you still claim that you don't regret banning and deleting people and that you actually regret not doing it faster, is what makes a lot of people that commented on this thread lose all hope on this game, which would most likely even result in more of the remaining players leaving the game and probably never return again.

作者： Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

作者： Dave, 11.04.2025 at 03:03

I still haven't read all your posts because its too much. Can you tell me in like 2-3 sentences what exactly you want from me?

Like most people in this thread have already commented, I would like for you to reconsider all of that was mentioned and undelete/unban all of the players that got effected during the 2021 stuff, including those that you don't see eye to eye with. Perhaps it's even better to just completely reset all of the bans and to just stop with the destructive anti-toxicity crusade and regimes and muting/banning/deleting players over petty little things like minor insults or calling others pussy (like the boywind case). Only ban players for like hacking/exploiting (serious) bugs, not some bullshit i.e. ''abuse'', and NEVER EVER permanently ban & delete players.

作者： Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

I think it's agreed upon by the vast majority of the players in this community that the activity and playerbase got to this state due to mostly your staffmembers and the way the whole funpart of this game has been heavily moderated and restricted/censored. So I would propose to remove players from your staffteam that are/were responsible for that and to further stop destroying the game as it is. There is nothing wrong with a bit of innocent banter and fun-toxicity, it's something that has always been a part of this game and almost never went to extreme lengths.

作者： Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

So I would propose: start with the removal of Sid from your staffteam as a first step 1, something that you actually should've already done in 2021 when everyone within the community and most of your staffteam told you to do so. Because now years later, he hasn't even been actively involved with the game after he'd literally ripped apart our community in 2021 and he basically turned his back on the game and never returned again. That should really tell you something about all of the things we've said about him now and back then.

作者： Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

I wouldn't even be surprised that after all the unbans and the game probably becoming more active again, that he would most likely return back to the game immediately and try to dictate his own views and opinions once again. So I think it's better not to give him that chance again.

作者： Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

And if you're really not willing to do any of the things said above, and actually still hold on to your own ego and stubbornness, I think the only thing that would be left is for you to perhaps find someone to sell the game to that would actually love see this game thrive again and whom would wholeheartedly listen to his players and community.

作者： Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 19:28

Could you come online and talk about this instead of putting words in my mouth and making up assumptions and accusations? And you're saying that I'm being combative..

作者： Weisser Wolf, 13.04.2025 at 19:52

Dave, I hope you don't ignore this post and I really hope I don't end up banned for expressing my opinion regarding this. If what you want is to remove all traces of toxicity, the competitive community are by far not the most toxic, in the casual scene there are also and it's even worse as you get banned just for winning a game or for not sticking to their "rules" which in reality they are not.

My specific point is, "toxicity", as Khauman rightly said is an inherent part of the game, it's not just part of the competitive scene. And it will always be something associated to this kind of games, I give an example: Conflict of Nations, a pay per win game that always ends in a rain of insults to the one who allies to the "whales" (that's what they call there to the players who invest money to win faster) and they don't ban the players for that, maybe at most a warn but in that game they generally only ban for exploiting bugs.

Even in the era when RP games dominated atwar there was some healthy toxicity between those who allied or attacked, so I refuse to believe that you are willing to eliminate the competitive part of the game, being that there have even been cases of players of other types of games here at atwar who have played competitive or have reinforced their learning curve by playing it.

I hope this post won't go away ignored.