Game Strat
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發表從 Delta13a, 02.04.2017 - 21:49
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Favorite Game strat
Naval Commander
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Perfect Defence
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Relentless Attack
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Scorched Earth
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Sky Menace
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Master Of Stealth
5
Imperialist
8
Blitzkrieg
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Guerrilla Warfare
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you are a bully mentor Pho, your mentor had to bully you a lot yourself 
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Change "bully" to "arrogant" then. This is self awareness pho, accept when you've embarrassed yourself and move on. I'm not going to waste any more time on you.
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Blitz is perfectly fine, you just dont know how to use it.
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right after the map editor gets finished 
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Okay. Duel? You be blitz, I'll be anything but DS
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Ok we duel but there is a 50% chance I go blitz. The point of blitz is surprise and when you see it coming or see ANY OTHER STRAT coming, it gives you an advantage because you can prep for it.
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So you're saying that unlike PD and SM and NC and GW and imp, which are all highly predictable strategies...blitz is niche? Why's that exactly? Perhaps because it was over nerfed? I can say exactly the same thing for hybrid warfare and we all know that's a pile of wank. But it can still be played by surprise quite effectively by france and even ukraine.... The difference between blitz and HW is blitz is nonpremeium and loads of players used to play with it. If a strategy needs a nerf now its SM. Everyones uses it in 50k because its range and high damage units are just too much. But you wont see Laochra call for a change with that one because "it works on EU". He only uses eu as a referwnce because he claims its the most balanced map. But the fact is a perfectly balanced map would be firstly boring and secondly unrepresentative of the geographical properties thw default maps are based on. If you want to duel me to prove blitz is a workable strat, you can pick blitz and not cry when you suck with it. But dont worry it will have no reflection on your skill level, only how good the strategy actually is. We can make it a 1v1 if you prefer?
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Fine but you tell me what strat you are deal? you seem to be slightly stupid so let me repeat this. >You have an advantage knowing what strat I will be > I don't know what strat you will be. >Tell me your strat and we duel.
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Okay fair point. But where are we playing? Eu west? East? North america? Asia? If you want eu west I'll be pd. Spain I'll be nc. East turkey imp, east ukraine SM. I'll be the staple strats. 5k I'll most likely be GW. How about I just tell you before we start?
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If that were true then why havent i boosted the shit out of MoS which is also my favourite strat? Sunshine leave the strat discussions to the upper level players who actually know what theyre talking about. Players who cant reach rnw with ds helis have no buisness making assumptions about how they are balanced.
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Ancient World duel I'll be IF. Bring it on.
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Latin america 3k
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Fuck me, for the last time, i could do it before and after the nerf, reaching it was only practical after the nerf. Suck a dick. MoS also works on eu, as ukraine or poland. You nerfed blitz and RA previously because they were too strong with Ukraine in eu 10k. Just let it go and appreciate the fact ukraine is too strong and flexible a pick compared to Turkey.
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Deal, i'll be imp or GW, will tell you once we pick
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I've explained this before. But i am just going to write out a complete description so i can copy/paste it at the future morons who say i nerf strats only based off eu+ or the turk ukraine meta. I don't think i have ever provided a full breakdown. But have objective facts and evidence on my side. It is why I like tophats was able to convince the admins to alter the strategies when all the dissenters failed. It is also why these people are reduced to spamming me with insults and silly troll posts. The strategies were created and originally balanced around the default units and specifically the world map. Custom maps don't come into the equation unless some change drastically affects a large number of them. Clovis for example complained about the nc change however the mapmakers themselves(the handful that were affected) did not and simply made some alterations themselves to counteract it. It didnt seem to be as big of a deal as he made out so it wasnt reversed. You've 3 tiers of strategies. The is a pretty basic breakdown since theres quite a bit of crossover with some of the strategies into the other tiers. Perfect defense for example can compete in all 3 tiers which is why it often tops popular strategies lists as we see in this thread. However it shines in the mid range tier so i am placing it there. The militia defence change arguably makes gw more of a midrange strat. But i am leaving it in the economical tier due to its' costs. Power Strats(high cost): Sky Menace Master of Stealth. Lucky Bastard Mid-range strats: Desert Storm Perfect defence Great combinator. Lucky Bastard Relentless attack Hybrid Warfare Blitzkrieg Economic strats: Imperialist Guerilla warfare When balancing strats there is so much to consider. You've to test them across the board on a range of maps of different settings and incomes. Their versatility also comes into play which is why there has been many "nerf pd" threads over the years. For example Europe+ is indeed a great indicator of balance due to it's diversity of city densities and incomes. However it does not provide a complete picture of the effectiveness and capabilities of the power strats or the economic strats and indeed some of the midrange strats. For those you need to look at 15k+ settings and maps like africa, latin america or big maps where players are spread out. There needs to be a comparison across the board on unit costs, att/defence power, range, expansion capabilities, hp and versatility. To address the much complained about ra example. Amok accidentally overboosted it giving it 5 defence 9 attack at 90 cost. The math of this in comparison with other strats pretty much speaks for itself. Ra became a nightmare on both the low to midrange starting income settings. Poor imp players on 3k were getting crushed before the game even started. Stating this was only an ra ukraine problem is spectacularly ignorant. There was also the skill argument regarding boosting the games beginners strat which only requires you to build 1 unit and spam attack with it to win but we wont go there. Then there was blitz. After tophats boost it gained significant defensive abilities. He literally removed half the original nerf of the strategy from -2 defence to - 1. And this was still a very popular strategy even then. On attack it is strong and able to bring more units to the battle front than most strats due to its range. But its' defence sucks. A significant weakness given the overall nature of the game and often why players complain about it. However this fails to acknowlege the strength of blitz's unmatched range and expansion capabilities and the importance of these strengths. I can point to the Pve tournament as just one example. Anyone who duels will often encounter blitz across many settings. The overall idea of altering the strategies is to give all the strats a niche where they are strong. If you make 1 or 2 strats overpowered then you alienate the players of the others.
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As for you, for a player to be able to provide any valuable input into the structure of the strategy meta, they themselves need to be a top tier player who can play all the strategies to close to 100% efficiency and be able to demonstrate an understanding of their gameplay. There are not many players sadly who can do this. You are certainly not one of them. For you a self confessed average player with poor teamgame skills to come into a thread and accuse me of not understanding the turk/ukraine dynamic is laughable. Even more laughable is the fact that you think to instruct me as to what you can and cannot do with MoS. Ive many tourney wins under my belt and ive maintained over 1500 elo since 2014. You have done what exactly? In game achievements aside your arguments are total trash anyway. You do not get to patronise me or witch. Go learn to play and get back to us.
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I never said you didnt understand the turk ukraine dynamic. I said you place too much emphasis on it given how cheap ukraine is to purchase relative to unit production. You don't need a clan tourney trophy to recognise that. The "strategy meta" should take into conaideration all sub domains of the default world map. More importantly a game should be fun. AW is not the pinnacle of strategic thinking. Please realise this.
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Thats not what you said. That is stating the obvious. This is what you said.
That's what i said in my post. that's what is being done. Can you read? Is atwar not fun? Why are you here? And who said it was the pinnacle of strategic thinking? Its just another strategy game like all the rest and is getting a similar treatment.
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You realise your strat changes are a joy kill?
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I disagree, I look forward to everything new to the game including strat changes.
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The changes made the game more balanced, and therefore more fun. So no. Minus the ds buff one of course...
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I check forums on my phone. I saw that you quoted me and clicked respond. So no I didnt read your essay. But its nice to know we're closer in opinion than previously percieved. Whats wrong with making DS a power strat? And where would IF fit into your personal bracket cooncept? Competitive eu opinion does not count for the general populus of this game. In a world map game SM is virtually unbeatable. It used to have a competitor.. blitz. But not anymore. MoS and NC are playable but thats about it. When it comes to Africa you'd be a fool to pick anything besides imp under 10k. GW is not cost effective enough. GW comes into its own in 5k games like LA Lao, there is no way you can balance all of the strats because the map varies so much. Yes you need to provide strats with their own niche, but the fact is there are too few varients in the game for individual niches to be created for all of them and one strat is always going to become favoured over its counterpart. Right now DS is overpowered in 10k games, in 5k it can be beaten by the likes of GW. Only DS serbia is unstoppable but thats because serbia is too cost effective per reinforcements. Similar to how Ukraine is too cost effective for reinf in 10k games. All of this underlines a simple fact that i'd like to think you'll appreciate. The moment you change the playstyle of DS to counter its strengh in 10k. Is the moment some other strategy becomes too dominant in another part of the default map with a certain amount of starting cash. Probably GW. This is what bothers me, you've put all this work in to make the most balanced part of default map workable for competitive games, thats great and it can be appreciated by loads of players. But you're only balancing them on eu 10k games. This is why it makes sense to make DS a power strat. I.e more expensive as i previously stated. Alternatively places like serbia and ukraine should be increased in cost to represent a fair unit per reproduction unit ratio as other effective countries in their bracket. If Ukraine was bought in line with poland for example. Or if serbia was bought more inline with hungary (I've chosen thse as comparisons because they are still representative of the surrounding economic status of the countries in question). The final alternative is to accept that a balance for the default maps cannot be indefinitely achieved due to the fact some other game will become more or less popular compared to the scale of the change to the strategy. In yhis instance it makes far more sense to have 5 slightly overpowered strats and 5 niche. Sorry for the long post but that sumises the extent of my thinking on the subject. I'm trying not to insult and I'd appreciate it of you could do the same.
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I'm not going to partake in this discussion anymore. I've said too much. Please pm if you want to discuss further. If you find what I've said stupid or funny, great. If you want to duel me for whatever reason catch me in game or again drop me a pm to arrange. If you want to call me a retard in my absence then I simply suggest you take a look in the mirror before doing so. Peace.
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Tl:dr, stopped reading when you said sm is unbeatable and blitz used to beat it on world maps.
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This is sad to read.
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Dude both of you are really pathetic... One is so high up in his own arse he cant find a way out anymore and just talks so much bullshit with some highclass words here and there to look good and legit, the other thinks he knows AW that good, while he maybe played max 3 strategies throughout his whole AW carreer.. no offense to both of you, but you are not objective as fuck. Phoenix hating laochra for taking over the regime in this game (which no one can blame him for, bcs phoenix is right on this one), but does not give a justification just to slander in threads like that, and laochra is so hard trying to 'improve' the strategies, while the rest knows its about what suits some specific people the best. This is what AW turned into, every month we get new debate about fucking nerfing and boosting strategies that dont need fixing or tweaking at all. You make a thread about how inactive everyone is, and how fucking empty every clan is and no cw's at all, no fun meh meh, yet you dont wonder how this happends? If you put a fucking nerf and boost through people's throath without asking for it, or without wanting it, you expect people to play a game with broken strategies like that? Not to mention the fucking toxic community this game has, ''I have more tournament trophies than u, I have higher elo than u, so meh ur opinion doesnt matter, its not worth anything, I am PoTY so who are you blabla' WTF is dat for fucking childish behaviour, we all know how easily those fucking elo's rep's trophies w/e can be farmed, and it is getting farmed, and yet people attach so much fucking worthy to it? Grow up man. You guys are what is destroying AW. Like the admins said, piss off.
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Not everybody does it.... tophat was widely recognized as the best player all around and he never felt in the need of bragging about it on forums. In fact when he tweaked the strategies he considered everybody's argument regardless if it was a newcomer or a "top" player.... Chess was also considered among the bests and he never did so as far as I can remember. I can get pissed sometimes, but certainly trying to follow their steps. ... and then you got Desu or masterminds like Cthulhu, that achieved a very deep understanding about the game but never felt in the need of even show it off in duels, tournaments...
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