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01.04.2012 - 23:59
 KYBL
Who was in the seven years war?

A. Britain
B. Spain
C. Portugal
D. France
E. none of the above
F. All of the above.

>All of the above bellow none of the above
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02.04.2012 - 00:05
It might just be a typo. Chill man, theres no need to be hatin.
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02.04.2012 - 00:11
 KYBL
She also declared on another question that every answer was correct in some way, so she was just giving out free marks.
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02.04.2012 - 00:12
作者: KYBL, 02.04.2012 at 00:11

She also declared on another question that every answer was correct in some way, so she was just giving out free marks.


Ok now thats just plain retarded.
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02.04.2012 - 00:44
Gotta love dat 7 year war. Gave my ancestors a reason to come to Canada lol.

I really enjoy the paradox of this question though. If you can answer this question correctly you may become enlightened or something...
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02.04.2012 - 08:10
 YOBA
How was "none of the above" a correct answer? You could be really pedantic and say that France is now a republic for instance, so technically it's a different country, but the United Kingdom of Great Britain is still around, albeit with Northern Ireland added to it. What the fuck?
EDIT: just realised that you said that every answer was right on another question she posed. I see the retardation now ("All of the above" beneath "None of the above", LOL).

Also, this seems to be a lot more like a History rather than a Social Studies (whatever that is) question. I'm surprised you're learning about the Seven Years War at all, it's a pretty obscure conflict as it didn't have many lasting effects on the USA, apart from the cession of Acadia. I can understand the impact on Canada, especially regarding Quebec, but the USA?
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02.04.2012 - 10:20
作者: YOBA, 02.04.2012 at 08:10

How was "none of the above" a correct answer? You could be really pedantic and say that France is now a republic for instance, so technically it's a different country, but the United Kingdom of Great Britain is still around, albeit with Northern Ireland added to it. What the fuck?
EDIT: just realised that you said that every answer was right on another question she posed. I see the retardation now ("All of the above" beneath "None of the above", LOL).

Also, this seems to be a lot more like a History rather than a Social Studies (whatever that is) question. I'm surprised you're learning about the Seven Years War at all, it's a pretty obscure conflict as it didn't have many lasting effects on the USA, apart from the cession of Acadia. I can understand the impact on Canada, especially regarding Quebec, but the USA?


"Social studies'" is the Americunt politically correct way of saying "History", because they make you do team activities and watch lame Travel channel movies'. And when he says "Seven years' war", he probably is learning about the "French-Indian War", if he's really learning about World war -1, i'm fucking jelly. They put me in a rehabilitation history class because I called The Nation of Islam "SandNigeria" on a test, and they think making me learn about Rosa Parks will make me lose my shitty sense of /b/ humour. Damn, I'd love to have a real history class, anyways did she really put "All of the above" below "none of the above"? Sounds like something my Bio teacher would do...(tl;dr CP).
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02.04.2012 - 10:33
Hmm, dat glorious seven years war. It's Old Fritz' 300th birthday this year. Let us all celebrate!
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02.04.2012 - 10:52
作者: learster, 02.04.2012 at 10:33

Hmm, dat glorious seven years war. It's Old Fritz' 300th birthday this year. Let us all celebrate!


With Potato pancakes and apple sauce. Yes.
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02.04.2012 - 10:59
 KYBL
作者: YOBA, 02.04.2012 at 08:10

How was "none of the above" a correct answer? You could be really pedantic and say that France is now a republic for instance, so technically it's a different country, but the United Kingdom of Great Britain is still around, albeit with Northern Ireland added to it. What the fuck?
EDIT: just realised that you said that every answer was right on another question she posed. I see the retardation now ("All of the above" beneath "None of the above", LOL).

Also, this seems to be a lot more like a History rather than a Social Studies (whatever that is) question. I'm surprised you're learning about the Seven Years War at all, it's a pretty obscure conflict as it didn't have many lasting effects on the USA, apart from the cession of Acadia. I can understand the impact on Canada, especially regarding Quebec, but the USA?


I'm Canadian.
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02.04.2012 - 11:46
No, you are quebecois, and that is a different country.
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02.04.2012 - 14:52
Ce n'est pas seulement les québecois qui apprennent au sujet de la guerre de sept ans

I live in Ontario and all of eighth grade history was about the seven year war, but then again I do go to a French school. It's funny how going to a French school and learning about this war, the English are always painted as complete evil scumbags and I bet the reverse it taught in English schools.
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02.04.2012 - 16:17
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作者: Counterpart, 02.04.2012 at 14:52

Ce n'est pas seulement les québecois qui apprennent au sujet de la guerre de sept ans

I live in Ontario and all of eighth grade history was about the seven year war, but then again I do go to a French school. It's funny how going to a French school and learning about this war, the English are always painted as complete evil scumbags and I bet the reverse it taught in English schools.

Im in Grade 8 and learning seven year war.
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02.04.2012 - 17:12
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作者: KYBL, 02.04.2012 at 16:17


Im in Grade 8 and learning seven year war.


I don't even know what the 7 year war is....... Well American schools are bullshit.
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02.04.2012 - 17:41
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作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:12

作者: KYBL, 02.04.2012 at 16:17


Im in Grade 8 and learning seven year war.


I don't even know what the 7 year war is....... Well American schools are bullshit.


Bourbons v Britain and the likes, Habsburg and his Homies' walked all over Hohenzollern's turf, caused a gang war and shit Holmes.
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02.04.2012 - 17:49
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作者: Garde, 02.04.2012 at 17:41

作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:12

作者: KYBL, 02.04.2012 at 16:17


Im in Grade 8 and learning seven year war.


I don't even know what the 7 year war is....... Well American schools are bullshit.


Bourbons v Britain and the likes, Habsburg and his Homies' walked all over Hohenzollern's turf, caused a gang war and shit Holmes.


thx now I understand.
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03.04.2012 - 06:48
 KYBL
引句:
作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:49

作者: Garde, 02.04.2012 at 17:41

作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:12

作者: KYBL, 02.04.2012 at 16:17


Im in Grade 8 and learning seven year war.


I don't even know what the 7 year war is....... Well American schools are bullshit.


Bourbons v Britain and the likes, Habsburg and his Homies' walked all over Hohenzollern's turf, caused a gang war and shit Holmes.


thx now I understand.

This was the dumbest thread I ever thing I ever heard, and can I use that as my seven year war description?
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03.04.2012 - 08:29
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作者: KYBL, 03.04.2012 at 06:48

作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:49

作者: Garde, 02.04.2012 at 17:41

作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:12

作者: KYBL, 02.04.2012 at 16:17


Im in Grade 8 and learning seven year war.


I don't even know what the 7 year war is....... Well American schools are bullshit.


Bourbons v Britain and the likes, Habsburg and his Homies' walked all over Hohenzollern's turf, caused a gang war and shit Holmes.


thx now I understand.

This was the dumbest thread I ever thing I ever heard, and can I use that as my seven year war description?


I can.
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03.04.2012 - 10:16
Wait you put none of the above and got it right?
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03.04.2012 - 10:31
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作者: KYBL, 03.04.2012 at 06:48

作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:49

作者: Garde, 02.04.2012 at 17:41

作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:12

作者: KYBL, 02.04.2012 at 16:17


Im in Grade 8 and learning seven year war.


I don't even know what the 7 year war is....... Well American schools are bullshit.


Bourbons v Britain and the likes, Habsburg and his Homies' walked all over Hohenzollern's turf, caused a gang war and shit Holmes.


thx now I understand.

This was the dumbest thread I ever thing I ever heard, and can I use that as my seven year war description?


Don't forget, that in the American theater (French-Indian war), the Bourbons brought in their Homies' the Ballas to fight off them Grove street foos'
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03.04.2012 - 10:45
作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:12

I don't even know what the 7 year war is....... Well American schools are bullshit.


I guess in America it will mostly be remembered for the part that is called the French and Indian war, but it wasn't just that. It was only a small part of a huge conflict that was fought in Europe. Here it was Prussia against France, Austria, Russia, Sweden and some minor German states, with the only help coming from tiny Hannover and British money. They were outnumbered pretty badly but our King, who was named 'the Great' after this conflict, managed to get them through for the whole of 7 years.
Over here Frederik the Great is still largely remembered, not just for the wars he fought but also for how good of a king he was, and as it is his 300th birthday this year there will be festivals all over the city in his honor.

You might want to look up the battle of Leuthen for some of his excellence. If I may quote from the Wiki article:
"The key to victory in this battle was the pre-battle operational maneuvers. Frederick was able to hide his intentions, achieve complete surprise and strike a massive blow at the enemy's weakest point, a tactic reminiscent of 'Bewegungskrieg', more commonly known as Blitzkrieg. The Austrians fell back into Bohemia, saving Silesia for the Prussian state. It was Frederick the Great's greatest ever victory, and again showed the world the superiority of Prussian infantry at the time."
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03.04.2012 - 10:52
作者: learster, 03.04.2012 at 10:45

作者: Deray YG, 02.04.2012 at 17:12

I don't even know what the 7 year war is....... Well American schools are bullshit.


I guess in America it will mostly be remembered for the part that is called the French and Indian war,


Oh then I know this.
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04.04.2012 - 08:24
Learster you forgot, that you were saved by the russians=)

Yes, this war was epic for you and you defeated the french and austrian army but the russian army was crushing your little country. Saved by a changes of monarch in russia.

And also seriously THIS war is seriously one of the most important war of the history, seriously as much if not mroe than word war 1 or world war 2 so could you please stop to be so uneducated everyone and learn about it a little bit.

1. With this war UK got India
2. With this war start the rise of Prussia as a major power
3. Russia is after this war the big guy that is a big piece in europe....
4. Lead to the French revolution cause debts
5. Lead to the american revolution cause now the americans have no direct enemy and have to pay for brittish debts
6. France must give everythign east of the missisipi to UK
7. It was the first war to fight everywhere around the world
8.The end of "liberty" times for the amerindians... now they can't get any help from France... and well UK dont give a shit for the amerindian.... and the minorities of indian that was supporting UK well now Uk don't need them because the frenchs are gone
9. France keeped the colonies that were needed to keep a decent marines(Fish bank around newfuondland and the sugar coloniees in the caribean sea) With this colonies france was able to buidl a sizeable navies that won an important war against UK durign the american independance war
10. This war also show the decline of Spain that wasn't able to defeat portugal
11. show the decline of Poland-Lithuania that was crossed by russian army withotu any opposition.....
12. Spain get every french colonies west of the missisipi +New orleans........ The brittish suck so much at geography that the french guy who signed the treaty of peace convinced UK that New orleans was west of the missisipi:noidea:
13. If this war would have been won by the franco-austrian team the world would be totally different! India would be french, france would own a huge part of north america, the american independence would have waited for 50 years maybe, prussia would be back to a minor role and probably that germany would never be formed.Etcetera

SO now i invite every american that name this war the french and indian war(WHy you must always center everything around you......) to learn abouit the war that literally constructed your country! Withotu thsi war yoru independance would have waited for a logn time and you would still be at yoru right place between teh appalachian mountain and the atlantic
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04.04.2012 - 08:27
And Counterpart, just to remember you that the bad evil guys in the north american theater of this war was the british=)
Acadian deportation and and and............................
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04.04.2012 - 09:31
作者: Cardinal Ouellet, 04.04.2012 at 08:24


6. France must give everythign east of the missisipi to UK


France still has St.Pierre and Miquelon
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04.04.2012 - 09:39
Well,yea forgot to wriet st pierre et miquelon btu don't worry i know my history. I wrote in my text that france had access to fish bank around newfoudnland. so indirectly i know that they have St pierre et Miquelon
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04.04.2012 - 09:59
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作者: Cardinal Ouellet, 04.04.2012 at 08:24

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Long essay-like (though more like bullet points) post criticising your views coming up.
Your historiography is obviously skewed towards Marxist ideals.

The UK did not "get" India; it wasn't unified until the early 1800s. Britain had many more wars to fight to control the whole of India through either its princely states or conquest.

You are correct in saying that Prussia began to be considered a great power after this, but only due to a stroke of luck. In fact, it's pretty amazing that they managed to take back Berlin some 6 times before the end of the war despite being heavily outnumbered. Frederick II was a brilliant commander.

But anyway, the war did little for the French and American revolutions. Sure, it bankrupted the states party to it which led to many grievances--and was yet another military failure in the French peasants' eyes after the War of Austrian Succession. But it was still a cabinet war led by aristocrats. It certainly was not a total war, as armies remained small and generally drawn from the poorer strata (except cavalry, in most cases) and life of the common people was hardly affected by war, as pillage was not very common, unlike the bloody wars of the early-mid 1600.

Causing the political changes in Britain that led to the American Revolution is a very valid judgement. This war was certainly an instigator of that.

The American revolution, its ideals but also the bankruptcy and political turmoil in France following it (especially Louis XVI's faux-absolutism) was far more decisive in causing the French Revolution, which is single-handedly the most important event in world history, though possibly after the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. That's why I'm focusing so much on the French revolution by the way, because it was the pivotal event in history in which we witnessed the transition to the modern world. It is the measure by which we can check if this conflict was really that important or not.

Russia got jack shit in Europe, but its diplomatic position was doubtlessly strengthened because its armies were proven to be OP.

As for the Amerindians... well, they were the losers of any conflict in North America, weren't they? To say that France's defeat sealed their fate is utterly bullshit, because every white settler wanted to live in the inner part of the continent. They would be driven out and massacred anyway, whether that was by the British or not.

Poland did not participate in this conflict, though it did cause some political debate which led to reforms. It was bound to become Russia's bitch by this point anyway, the war hardly had an effect on it. In fact, Poland supported Saxony, which was Russia's buddy in the war for a while.

As for #13, you got it all wrong. Nationalism and opposition to enlightened absolutism was bound to rise at some point. You just can't attempt to control the lives of people 3000 miles away without at least giving them a say in how their country is run. Of course Germany would form, because no monarchy can last forever.

And you know what? Suppose France won. It would still be bankrupt as fuck, America would revolt, Britain would doubtlessly intervene. And the peasants would rise up and lop the heads of the King's guards on their pikes. The ideas of the levée en masse and commoners ruling themselves were all raised during the Enlightenment era. Perhaps there wouldn't be a freedom-loving military dictator like Napoleone cutting his way through German and Northern Italian states. But eventually we'd get to the point at which we are today. I don't think this war was at all important, it was more of a catalyst in causing important changes in the world. And it may have been the first truly global conflict, but it certainly wasn't a total war of apocalyptic proportions like WW1 or WW2!

Anyway, all that Britain achieved in this war was shat over when the colonies were lost. If France had won, the American revolution would probably happen just as quickly, though the US would probably be a bilingual state. Don't forget that there were many less French-speaking than English-speaking colonists in North America.t be a freedom-loving military dictator like Napoleone cutting his way through German and Northern Italian states. But eventually we
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04.04.2012 - 10:37
Hey guys, I heard one of you mention the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Kinda weird to bring this up, but I JUST had a conversation about this with a buddy of mine like, an hour ago. So when I read that I was like "He's one too me. RP-LC be damned!" lol...
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Ok I think we will have a lot of fun debating of this. Also yes the fact that I just made a list of bullet point don't help my argumentation so I will try to counter each of your argument=)
Also my maternal language is french and everythign that I learned was in french so I don't always have the right words to say what I want. But well i will try to confirm my point.

Before to start I personally don't think that i'm biased towards marxist ideal. Of course i'm a leftist person, and I have nothign against black, arabs etcetera but one thigns is sure I totally hate multiculturalism and this mentality that nation represent nothign today. For me each nation are always in a fight to keep there culture alive and to assimilate others culture. The poitn where i differ is that for me black yellow red brown I don't give a shit. I definitely prefer an haitian immigrants that want to speak french to adapt and to be assimilated than an white american immigrants that come here in Montreal for business and that don't give a fuck about my language and my culture.

Also the points here are from your text not mine so well they don't fit in the previous order=)

1. Yes it was'nt unified but the point is that after this war UK was the only european power with the capcity and territory to control india. Of course portugal france and netherlands had some territories but it was only for trade and the imperialism in India was finish. Only UK had the capacity to control India, conquering This subcontinet was pretty easy and in my opinion as soon as the seven years war was finish UK was sure to have the control of everything in India. For Sri-Lanka it's different, they had to fight a war against Netherlands to get this island but well i don't consider Sri Lanka to be a part of India.

2. Yes they were really lucky and without the change of monarchs in Russia they would have lose.

3. Of course there was a lot of other small factor that affected the revolutions but one things is sure if there is a war that pushed this countries in revolution it was this one. The principal factor to this revolution was this war!

4. Good to see that you support my point for the american revolution

5. Great to see that finally someone place importance on the french revolution. The bankrupty and political turmoil was 2 important factor. But if we look at the facts this 2 things were caused by the seven years war. Of coruse the war is'nt the onyl factor but it was thsi war that saturated everything, without this war the french revolution would be less radical and not happen before a lot of years.

6. Yea Russia got almost nothign in Europe, but I think you got what i mean Russia proved that he was the actor that you don'twant against you. also just before thsi war russia decimated Sweden and the ottomans.

7.Ok seriously the population of New-France was really low. France never sended a huge ammouts of colons in america. However Uk landed a huge bunch of european. The amerindian sided in majority with the least dangerous europeans, the french. France wasn't perfect but one things is sure is that5 they needed the amerindian and helped them more than the brittish. You can deny the fact that the amerindian would have way more chance to "survive" in New-France where teh vast majority of the settles are stuck between the appalachian mountain and the ocean than in The USA that we know today. Yes this war sailed the faith of the amerindian, If france hold New-France and never lose it before the american war of independence the amerindian have way more time to adapt to the european culture and to resist when finally the immigrants arrive and to build a country somewhere in the MidWest. France wasn't respectign the amerindians but one thing is sure the french colonists in america were respecting the amerindians, fucking amerindian women, currently almost all the official metis community in america are French+amerindian not english+amerindian and of course french "coureur des bois" respected teh amerindian culture and impreganted all the french settlements with thsi culture. By the way if France would have respected the amerindian war technic on the abrahams plains, probably that new france would have been saved for 1 years or 2. I'm not sayign everythign woudl have been perfect for the amerindian but one thigns is sure they have way more chance to survive in a world where the continent is splti and have less euroepan immigrants.

8.Yes poland did not participate but during all the conflict they were just a russian puppet. This confirmed that they were in a major decline.

9.Should have said that the Germany that we know would never exist..... Yes nationalism will rise but well without a strogn Prussia we will have something different. Maybe a less militarized Germany, or a Germany dominated by Austria(In this case Austria would probably have to put the focus in Germany and not in the balkans), or a Germany split in 2. Maybe also a Germany that don't have territory at the west of the rhien due to a strogner France. anyway we don't know.

Conclusion: Yea France would be bankrupt but at least the public opinion would support more that monarch and also if France win in 1 or 2 years at the beginning of teh war where France was winning they have less debts.

America would revolt but way later because they will need UK to defend them against France. An america that revolt with a New-France existign mean that we won't have the USA that we know. And everythign else is just an hypothese from you nothing can be proved one thigns is sure is that a France that in the late 1800 own india and a huge part of america will be really strong. We will have a different Germany that is surely less militarist, a weak USA and a weak UK withotu any important colonies as soon as they lose India and there american holdings. seriously I don't know what will happen with this but well it's pretty different from what was the reality. It was'nt a total war but you can't deny the fact that everything that was traded in the peace treaty +what happened after the seven years war were as important as WW1 and WW2.

Well, UK had India until 1960 so well from 1800 to 1960 a France that have India isntead of Uk who have India will chane so many tthings. And nope the american revolutio nwon't happen as quickly but they will happen and one thigns is sure as soon as america declare independance they won't rage war against France so we will have a very densely opulated USA on teh east coast and a less populated New-France that will gain independance probably around 1900. An interesting situation and far from the reality
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04.04.2012 - 16:04
作者: Cardinal Ouellet, 04.04.2012 at 08:27

And Counterpart, just to remember you that the bad evil guys in the north american theater of this war was the british=)
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True dat haha. I think if the French won the american potion of the war it would take away all the comedy that is English people trying to pronounce French last names

But yeah, this war in it's entirely is one of those things that could have drastically altered a lot of what we now know about global politics. If Europe had been shaped in a different way in the end of this war who knows what the world would be like today. I always found "what if" situations like this very interesting.
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